Ep. 19 - A Just Us Episode

In this Just Us edition of The Pickup Meeting, Kevin Thomas and Michael “Brody” Broshears settle into a wide-ranging conversation that feels like one of their regular phone calls. From the many ways we mispronounce February and other deeply suspicious English words, to Valentine’s Day nostalgia, chalky candy hearts, and why umbrellas are wildly overrated, this episode leans into humor, reflection, and a little bit of friendly ranting.

The conversation then shifts to higher education realities, including why the first three to five weeks of the semester matter so much for student success, how early alerts and meaningful feedback can change outcomes, and what strong faculty-advisor partnerships can really look like in practice. Kevin and Brody also tackle the evolving world of NIL, the transfer portal, and the tension between athletics and academics, before closing out with a spirited discussion of the most underrated movies of all time!

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Transcript

Kevin Thomas  
And away we go. Welcome to another episode of The Pickup Meeting. Here we are Brody Broshears. How are you?

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
I'm doing great. It's February, like, I mean, it's, it's gonna be February, that's right. We don't need to share secrets, but it's gonna be February, right?

Kevin Thomas  
Really, January, but you're listening to us. You're in the cool crowd. It's February, February. However it's pronounced, it's that time.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Wow, we did really struggle with pronouncing February, right?

Kevin Thomas  
It's a difficult word, and before we even go to difficult words, this is a just as just us episode.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Which means it's just you and me for about 30 minutes. And we think that's good, like it's great to have a guest, but we like to hang out together and just chat about the world and life, just like our phone conversations. And so the good news is, you're only with us for 30 minutes if you don't like us.

Kevin Thomas  
So what month is it February? Right? But we're not saying it right, correct.

Unknown Speaker  
I think that sounds right February, like we can't say it the way it's spelled.

Kevin Thomas  
February, February. That's what I think it is. I don't know what are other words that we struggle with, because this is one of them, and I know I don't say it correctly.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Like ketchup or catsup?

Kevin Thomas  
Yeah, I who says catsup.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
I don't know, but sometimes it's spelled that way.

Kevin Thomas  
Yeah, let's not say it that way. Umbrella or umbrella, I feel like you're saying the same things. Do it again? Umbrella or umbrella, I don't use either one. So I don't either.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
I think umbrellas are stupid. Maybe that should be our maybe that should be our topic. Umbrellas are stupid. We're on the same page. I mean, look, I always feel like when I carry an umbrella, I'm wetter after it's over than if I had just walked really fast.

Kevin Thomas  
All right. What about is it caramel or caramel or caramel, caramel are, which is it? I don't know. I don't know. I think I say caramel.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Yeah, you sound like you're really fancy when you say that. I just say caramel, like you just took longer. You took longer to say it, then I take to eat it.

Kevin Thomas  
It just is one of these things where I'm amazed by the English language, and this month, February really does need to this point of like, the things that we create in the English language is stupid. Let's just be in agreement of that. All right, fine with that. Come on, anytime you see somebody of a certain rank in the military, and you're like, Colonel, so and so, and then you're like,

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
spell it, K, E, R, N, E, L,

Kevin Thomas  
What is happening? What is happening. It's like a Southerner when they say hi, hi, it just keeps going, right? I give my wife grief about that all the time. But there are other sayings, and there are just words that are a lot to handle too I don't understand. And I'm sure there are origins for some of these raining cats and dogs. I don't know what does that mean.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
I guess it's raining really hard. I mean, if a cat or dog landed on your head, it would hurt.

Kevin Thomas  
So it's hard rain. Okay, sure, let's go. I can answer these questions. Bite the bullet. I don't want to be anywhere near a bullet.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
No, I think that means doing some hard things for sure.

Kevin Thomas  
I used to do plays and musicals and a variety of things, and everyone with the Break a leg. That's terrible guidance. You should not break your leg.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
No, it's true, but it is pretty much accepted universally as the thing you say when you're going out to perform, right?

Kevin Thomas  
I guess it seems very strange like there. I'm sure their origins. We're just not going to look them up today.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
I like to sleep like a baby, right? Because babies don't sleep well. 

Kevin Thomas  
Like one out of 10, right? 

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
I would rather sleep like a rock.

Kevin Thomas  
I'd rather sleep like a dead person.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Yeah, that would work too. I guess.

Kevin Thomas  
This one would be bad for me. Cat got your tongue, because then my throat would swell up.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Yes, that's very bad, yeah.

Kevin Thomas  
And I will say I hear this one and people are like. Like, well, that's not true. I disagree. Money can't buy happiness. If somebody wants to give me a couple billion dollars, I'm gonna tell you, I think I might be a little happier.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
You might be, but research would tell us you fall back to baseline. I hate to burst your bubble. As somebody who talks about happiness on the regular basis, regular basis, it might make you happier in the short term, but ultimately, how happy you are today is how happy you'd end up with that additional $2 million eventually.

Kevin Thomas  
No, no, I went billion and with a B, billions like, Okay, if we're dreaming, let's dream. Let's dream. We're buying some sports franchises.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
More money, more problems. That's what I say. 

Kevin Thomas  
Well, and just like this podcast, apparently the first take is always the best. That one comes from you.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Yeah, I'm reading this book about Miles Davis right now. They talk a lot about the first takes. We were talking about how Jack Nicholson's A Few Good Men, famous courtroom speech was a singular take, and they're like, yeah, it's not gonna be any better than that. So, I mean, I think that that works at least sometimes,

Kevin Thomas  
yeah, and sometimes we do okay and get a first take, and sometimes Matt Markin edits us.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Yeah, but editing is different than doing it more than once.

Kevin Thomas  
That's true. You're right. You're right. All right. So next week after this is released, is Valentine's Day. But we could talk about a variety of things for Valentine's Day, but what do you what do you remember? Like in my mind, when I think of Valentine's Day, I think of the corporate aspect of what this has become. You buy the flowers roses that are 20 bucks today or $180 next week, and chocolates are a lot of money and but you spend some time with your wife, your spouse, and you go out to dinner or go to a movie or have an evening on your own, that type of thing. But in my mind, I go back to like high school. High school, let's go grade school. And the little Valentines that had the corny sayings on them, and then you would put them inside the box. Like, you know, you you probably didn't have bodies, probably, like, bags, right? Because, like, they didn't, hadn't invented boxes at that point. But like, they're just, they're things that could have been. Do you remember this?

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
I do remember that I this is an unpopular opinion, but I loved those chalky candy hearts on it. Yeah, I thought those were good be mine, yeah, love you always, or whatever. I don't know what else they said.

Kevin Thomas  
I feel like they always had to be pretty short. Love you always seems super long. Or, you know now we've gotten a little further, it's probably like, you're okay.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
You're not totally disgusting. That's a little bit bigger. That would require much larger candy heart, for sure.

Kevin Thomas  
But for all the folks listening to this just us episode, we heart you for listening to us.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Yes, we do Valentine's. Do you do something like, do what? So usually for me and cat, it's kind of a special dinner, like, we'll try to find some place a little bit different, maybe, or try to hit our favorite spot. And the one thing that we're pretty lucky about is now that I'm a senior citizen like we have no problem doing that at 430 in the afternoon before you need a reservation.

Kevin Thomas  
I would say there's some similar approach, right? You're always going to go to some place that maybe you wouldn't go to. But I'm also somebody that doesn't really enjoy massive crowds and the busyness that is. And I'll say in a lot of the towns that that we've lived in, it's not like a huge reservations available town, yeah. And so we will predetermine, hey, on Valentine's, let's go out on the 15th, let's go out on the 12th. Let's do it differently so it's not so unbearable out in public.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Yeah, I don't need Valentine's Day to dictate my love for my spouse, that's true. It can be a different day where we celebrate our love for each other certainly, right?

Kevin Thomas  
Yeah, yeah, all holidays are when you're with the people, not what the date says. That's right. Screw you calendar. We don't need you. Yeah, absolutely take that.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
I have. I have decided that I'm really nice to my kids on that day too, like I have given my kids Valentine's Day gifts, right? That's been kind of fun.

Kevin Thomas  
Yeah, that is fun. That's great. So listen, we could rant and rave about Valentine's Day and all the things that don't make sense in the English language, but we work in higher education. 

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
We should probably talk about, I don't know, university life.

Kevin Thomas  
So depending on when you start your semester, and I will say this is a year for us on my campus that has been rough because of the short turnaround we are on the last day of week one today. Wow, right? Yeah, so we're a weekend and so the first five weeks are really, you know, when we talk about, in our world of retention, persistence, connection, the first five weeks are critical in your experience. Like, how have you done things that really enhance this first five weeks to be a powerful point in time for students to connect with your campus.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
There's two things I want to talk about. One is really more curricular, and the other is really about getting campus buy in, in terms of what early is. Both happened at the same campus, but when, when we made the First Year Experience course a required component of our general education program at the University of Southern Indiana, we we pretty much committed to meeting with every single student individually in the first three weeks, right? And just believed that that individual check in was really critical to helping students feel more comfortable about that first semester, and for me, it was just a chance to get to know the students better, right, so that they didn't feel so nervous when they came to the class, which I tried to always articulate was a pretty low stakes retention builder, right? The course was really designed to give them some skills, to help them understand the importance of campus involvement and community engagement make sure that they were in a good place academically, right? So we had some minimal common elements, but I always found that individual meeting with the student was the best part of helping students understand that you cared about them. And so that was kind of the curricular piece. And then we just, we, we were a campus in the early 2000 10s, the University of Southern Indiana was that didn't really do early alert very well. We weren't getting much feedback back from faculty at all. And then around 2013 or 2014 we really got support from the provost to commit to a third week check in from faculty and a six week check in, and that's pretty early, and we really asked faculty to try to provide a meaningful assignment even within the first three weeks. And so we were really kind of walking that tightrope of academic freedom, and so we ended up pivoting and saying, you really only need to report D's, F's and not attending in that week three, but in week six, you needed to report a grade. And man, it just changed everything. It changed the way that we interacted with students. It reduced our withdrawal rates. It allowed us to provide more targeted services on the front end it related to academic skills. So it got students to tutoring quicker. It was a pretty dynamic shift, and the response rates ended up being so good that it really helped us tell a story about every single individual student at week three and Week Six as to how they were performing academically.

Kevin Thomas  
And I think what you're talking about is a lot of campuses are faced, and some of this gets into some best practices on the teaching front of things where early alert has helped in having those checkpoints, whatever that looks like, something meaningful earlier in the timeframe? Yeah, you know, I think historically, we hear the Well, I have a midterm and a final. I don't think that happens a lot anymore, and at least it doesn't happen on the type of campuses that I've worked on. I don't know about the type of campuses you worked on. I don't think that happens as much. But even in moving from a midterm timeframe to five weeks, or three to five weeks in that time. In that timeframe, it's really become you can have the conversations with faculty that show the importance of some sort of meaningful engagement that occurs in that timeframe, so that they have an understanding how they're doing in the course, so that appropriate decisions can be made. Do they need to seek out tutoring? Do they need to stay in the course? Do they need to consider other courses? Because this is a gatekeeper course to other things that are going to be harder. You know, you can start to have those conversations. And so it does come down to not just the support side of things, but the teaching aspect of it as well, and opening up some conversations that we don't always get to have.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Yeah, and then the not attendance piece for week three was really helpful to us, because if you weren't attending class in the first three weeks, there was a problem, right? It's, I mean, you just knew, because we. We know, especially like here at Illinois State, we've done some research right going to class is a pretty critical component to being successful at this institution, you know. And we have our research area has done some work on that, and it just makes sense. And so knowing early on that students aren't attending is a real red flag, and allows us to try to critically intervene on the front end. When I think about faculty like I'm always amazed pedagogically, and this isn't a knock on any particular area of the institution, but I'm always amazed pedagogically, we know that early evaluation is really important, and success begets success, right? So if we provide meaningful feedback early in a semester, and it can help the student build confidence, it can keep them engaged, and if a faculty member said, how could I best improve any course that I'm teaching, I'd say, more, more evaluations, more meaningful opportunities to show mastery in the course. I do think the three week individual check ins have been really helpful, and so I know that can't always happen in every class, but in smaller classes, integrating that practice or normalizing whether you call them student hours or office hours, whatever you call them, I think is also another great approach. And those first three to five weeks, I know we asked this question in prep, like, does it really matter, or is it just noise? I mean, I think it does really matter, don't you? Kevin, I mean, it's critically important to retaining students and helping them feel like they belong here?

Kevin Thomas  
Yeah, I think that where we get to and some of this starts to get into the early alert side of things, and how your campuses do that. I've been on campuses that approach it in a variety of ways. Feedback is important. What is happening in the classroom is the part of the story that we generally don't know about on the students are the support side of things, and so for us to get to a point where we get that feedback, it's critical. But I really would encourage folks that are listening to have these conversations on your campus about, what does that mean? If you're getting feedback and doing nothing with it, then why are you asking for feedback? Yes, right there. If you're getting feedback and not closing the loop with the faculty that provided the feedback, what are you doing? And so whether you call it early alert or an academic check in, or whatever it is on your campus, I think that's good. But what are the populations you're aiming at? What are the Who are you talking to? You know, typically, on most campuses, you're talking about student athletes. You're talking about students with accommodations. Perhaps you're talking about first year students. You might be talking about probation or warning students on your campus for a variety of issues and subjects that are going on. But I really think that what does that intervention look like? What does it really push towards? Is it pushing towards appropriate tutoring? Is it pushing just to conversations with academic advisors? And if that's the case, how are advisors meeting with those students differently in a relational standpoint than the typical advising appointment, because I will say, for most of our case, loads on a lot of campuses like those time frames are pretty close to when you're trying to see all of your students anyway, and so like, how are those being meaningful conversations and really impacting the work that's happening on those progress reports or academic check ins or early alerts, or whatever you're calling them.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Yeah, and this is where I think some data analytics, or we can start to look at predictive analytics, or even if, if students have an academic record, we can prioritize those check ins. Potentially every student deserves to have a check in but maybe our message is tailored to students that have shown some academic, academic difficulty or are on academic probation, I think that that's one approach. The other thing that I would say is it's good in our arsenal, I think, to understand the curriculum in the spaces where we do advise. An example that I use, this was a great approach that one of my old Nursing and Health Professions advising areas did that. They basically brought in the faculty that taught anatomy and physiology in the first year, and they said, Tell us more about the course. Like, what does the course look like? One of the quizzes, how do we know a student's really struggling if a student comes in and hasn't performed well on the first quiz, and they're wanting to drop, what kind of advice do you want to provide? And that did two things. One, is it armed advisors with great knowledge from the faculty, but two, it kind of expressed the idea that this was a partnership between faculty and advisors, and I loved that. Approach it really is, is helpful, and from a faculty perspective, and I think from a coursework perspective, one of the things that we've done to outreach to faculty here, and this is not my idea, and I didn't implement it. I mean, I guess I read about it was a story last fall, maybe in Inside Higher Ed, about what Montclair State was doing, which is developing these PowerPoint slides that were kind of just in time, and then using these PowerPoint slides and entry level courses to kind of hit at some of the just in time regulatory behaviors that need to hit. And one of my colleagues that works for me, one of my leaders, Dr Lisa lawless, she kind of piloted this with a couple of biology courses this semester Illinois State University, and it's really helpful, right? The faculty member gets kind of an idea of, you know, this isn't just about my content. It's about helping students understand what's needed to be successful in the course. And it's stuff that I just throw up on a PowerPoint slide before class. And maybe I mentioned, hey, you know, this week you should really be thinking about planning out your semester. And here's some things that I think would be important as it relates to this class. Such a simple, great idea, but something that really is practical and helps students. It helps the faculty member, and ultimately, if the advisor is involved, it helps the advising staff too and the academic support staff.

Kevin Thomas  
A lot of themes that we're talking about, and one of those is that academics matters. It does. And so I want to transition in our last little bit before we start to wrap up this very quick episode in which we talked about mispronunciation of words an awful lot, the transfer portal. Oh, no matter what's happening on your campus or what your campus is, I'm going to guess transfer portal is a word you're talking about in my world. It's been the last couple of weeks, right as we prepared for this, as we came back, I just told you about the quick start. The transfer portal didn't even open till January 2. You know, we started classes on January 7, that turnaround time of getting students admitted and in school and in class and doing all the things from a football standpoint, which is what's really been hitting us, has been a part of this. But academics matter. And so I think the transfer portal is a part of a bigger aspect of this. You can say transfer portal in il we talked about that with a previous guest. You know, the impacts of n, i L and what's happening. And I just, I got hit by this this week that so many people are saying, Well, does it really matter on a college campus? And I don't know all the answers, right? I've not worked at The Ohio State I've not worked at football powerhouse, Indiana University.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Settle down now.

Kevin Thomas  
I've not worked at these places, but what I do know is that students that are participating in collegiate sport have aspirations, whatever they may be. Some of them think I'm gonna go pro, but a lot don't. And to put all of our vast majority don't, Kevin, the vast majority do not. And to put our student athletes in this realm, and this is what got used this from 2012 this Cardell Jones, tweet, why should we have to go to class? If we came here to play football. We ain't Come to Play School. Classes are pointless. And that's a 2012 tweet in 2017 Cardel Jones graduated from The Ohio State University. Clearly, academics mattered to him, because he left, he played football professionally in a variety of ways, and then he went back, got his degree. The academics mattered to him enough to do that. But we're doing this thing where we're saying, Well, why do finals week matter? That these are not real students. They are real students in this transfer portal and n i L in the world that we're in, it's it's, it's really ignoring the vast majority of collegiate athletes that are busting their butt inside the classroom and then working their tails off outside the classroom to achieve athletically, but also achieve academically. And it really irks me that we're at this place where it's just being disregarded. And listen, you you grew up your daughters played, or you had daughter play college athletics. You know you've been involved in athletics your entire time. Like, am I? Am I? Am I losing it here?

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Like, no. Kevin, I think this is really interesting. I just watched the 60 Minutes episode that Indiana University did, or that 60 Minutes did on Indiana University football, and they were talking to Mendoza about how much money he's making, which is about $2 million is what they said they thought he was making this year as the quarterback for Indiana University. And he talked about writing an article when he was a senior in high school. That college athletes shouldn't be paid, and now he's making $2 million right as somebody who earned his degree in three years is probably going to get leave Indiana University. I don't know what his second degree. I wonder if he's getting an MBA. I don't know what he's doing, but clearly a bright a bright student athlete, no doubt. And the one thing, when I was a Faculty Athletics rep. And I did that for about 11 years. Every NCAA institution, Division One through Division Three, has a Faculty Athletics rep. And during my time at the institution where I worked, my school was a division two NCAA participant, and I always argued that we should, we should build systems that are more student friendly related to athletics. But when we started to have conversations that the college degree as a component of the student athlete experience was of no longer value to students, is when I kind of thought we were in deep trouble, and so that that kind of attitude that Cardell Jones expressed in that tweet. I think we kind of got there in real life, right? Like, I think once the N i l hit and the transfer portal hit, we started treating student athletes more like employees and less like students. And I don't know now that the genie is out of the bottle that we can go back, but I do hope that we get to a point where we can maybe regulate that better, like I do think student athletes should be paid, but maybe there's a collective bargaining agreement that allows student athletes and non revenue generating sports to benefit from these kinds of riches. I none of it makes me feel good, and I'm not certain 10 years from now that the NCAA and student Athletics will exist in the same way as it has, which is too bad, because I do think the student athletes that I worked with, the amount of things that they gained from their participation, beyond maybe money now was just tremendous leadership skills, such a commitment to discipline and sport, the ability to work as a team, right in a team, and I think we've kind of forgotten about all those other things that student athletes get, and now all we do is yell at the TV because the person's making $3 million that they didn't catch that ball, that they should have caught, that would have helped them win the national championship, right? Or they didn't make that basket that they should have made. Because, I mean, we're paying them, they should make that basket, and that's a bad place to be, I think, just generally.

Kevin Thomas  
And I know we've got to wrap things up and head towards the end of this episode, for every 75 football players and 12 to 15 college basketball players that are making the amounts of money that you said across campuses throughout this country. Yeah, there are 300 to 400 on each of those campuses, playing golf, tennis, swimming, track, you know, like they're playing sports that might be getting something but aren't going pro in anything else, and are there busting their butt and are a priority that academics matter, and I don't want that to be lost in the things that are happening with institutions that are spending Millions upon millions of dollars for football and basketball.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Yeah, absolutely. 

Kevin Thomas  
Take of this episode that was a feel good like, let's go, yeah, so let's talk about underrated movies. But no good segue, speaking of things that suck. No, I don't

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
So let's come back like maybe this is something we need to talk about more, right in a future episode, like we've had John Mark on. But clearly this is evolving quickly, and it's changing every day, and there is a real strain on the advising community as it relates to this work too, because oftentimes we're pivoting quickly to get students registered and eligible and made sure that they're on the right path, given the NCAA rules and regulations.

Kevin Thomas  
And I will say for our audience, that checks this out if you if you Google, CNN, NACADA, Kyle Ross, oh yeah, there is an article where Nakata was a part of on CNN that was talking about the advising impact in the transfer portal. It's well worth checking out. So if you happen to miss it when it came out in early January, check it out. It will still be relevant to the world that you're in right now and today. Kyle did a great job. Yeah, fantastic job. Our Executive Director, Kyle Ross, alright. Three most underrated movies of all time in your eyes. I think this is a difficult subject.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
We were talking about this earlier today, and I'm like, Oh man, I gotta come up with something. I think it's so I had some that popped up right away to in particular that were pretty. Easy for me. The first one is The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, the 2013 Ben Stiller version. Totally underrated, absolutely amazing. Like I think people were just tired of Ben Stiller. It was his first director. It was his directorial debut. Say directorial three times. There's a word for us. Kevin, directorial. Let's sell it. I mean, it's amazing. First off, it was a remake and and the soundtrack is also just top notch. But I love what that movie represents, and it was really, I think, just totally overlooked, really underrated. My next one is Strange Days, which is this fantastic mid 90s, kind of dystopian view of the future, really focused in on virtual reality and kind of instant gratification. It's with Ray fines, Angela Bassett, again, another, just banger soundtrack. And then my last...

Kevin Thomas  
This is also, is it Catherine Bigelow and James Cameron movie? Did you know that? I think that's right, right? And I think at that time, they were either dating or married, but no longer. But like you think about avatar and how big it's gotten, and Catherine Bigelow won an Oscar for a movie at some point and but this is same folks.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Go back and check it out. It's a little tougher movie to find. I think they wrote several articles a few years ago about how difficult was to get your hands on this movie. But it is definitely worth a view. And then the last one is one that I just can't turn off anytime it's on TV. And I don't know that it did it all that well. I think it did get nominated for some Oscars here and there, and that's a river runs through it. I always kind of get teared up a little bit at the end and but it's kind of a great, great story about family, and it's a period piece in the 1920s those are my three I've spoken too long. You go. Alright, for me, Mister Holland's Opus. Oh. Richard Dreyfus. Richard Dreyfus, fun. Big fan. Big fan of Richard Dreyfus. 

Kevin Thomas  
Story of aspirations to be a great composer, and he becomes a high school teacher and finds his place in the world and learns that he can make an impact in many ways, that type of thing. This one I kind of thought about, because there's a TV show coming out that's kind of a remake the burbs with Tom Hanks.

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
I don't think I've ever seen that movie.

Kevin Thomas  
I feel like you should. It's okay, terrible, but great. And then I went both ways. And this is kind of yours, the greatest game ever played with Shia LaBeouf, however you want to say his name, I don't know, right?

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Let's make it up. Is it Shia? Is it Shia? I mean, we could mess it up. Really bad.

Kevin Thomas  
Spell it, I don't know, yeah, and but then I kind of also thought about this one quiz show. Do you remember this? But quiz show was like, nominate for Oscars and things like that. But I just don't think people talk about it much and and really enjoyed that one. So as we finish this list here, Brody, why don't you send us home?

Michael "Brody" Broshears  
Yeah, alright, folks, you know that's this is the just US edition of the pickup meeting. We hope your own meetings, whether they're fun or formal or as meaningful as fun as this one until next time do good and be nice.